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I really think that NASCAR and Fox Sports spent too much time hyping up the preshow when they should have been more concerned with the weather. The race should have started earlier...anything to prevent Matt Kenseth from walking across the finish line. It was the first race of the season and I'm still a lil bitter I didn't get to see all 500 miles completed.

My Recent Posts · 02/17/09

Agreed with the earlier start time when the knew about the high likelyhood of rain shortening the race. I don't mind Matt winning, but it would've meant more if ALL the drivers had a chance for the win.

My Recent Posts · 02/17/09

NASCAR does things I don't agree with (although I don't think they're the Evil Empire some do) but it's really not fair to fuss at them for not starting the race earlier. The schedule is set long before anyone has a clue what the weather will be. Imagine you've paid a lot of money to attend the race, fight traffic and finding a parking space but still manage to get to your seats by start time and then you find out they started the race an hour earlier? Unless the tickets say they might start earlier than the listed time, they realistically can't move it up more than a few minutes, which I think they did do last Sunday.

I liked seeing Keith Urban but I'd happily have forgone that pleasure for an earlier start but I can't really fault NASCAR for sticking close to the printed schedule. In the future maybe they could add another line on the tickets (where they have all the hold harmless and rights to images fine print) warning fans that inclement weather may cause an earlier start and cover themselves legally. But even then, I don't think they could or would ever move it up any more than whatever tv has scheduled for the pre-race show.

Also we have to remember hindsight is 20/20 vision and rain doesn't always come and even rarely exactly when it's expected. I think every fan, driver and official alike, all wish the race hadn't been shortened (with the one possible exception of Matt Kenseth) but none of us can control Mother Nature. The way the radar was looking, I was surprised they got 152 laps run. It would have been much worse if the race had to have been called on lap 101. Or we could fuss at the different drivers who caused cautions which if not for those delays, all the laps might have been run. But as race fans, it really is something we just have to accept, however disappointing it might be.

My Recent Posts · 02/17/09

Imagine how the TV audience would feel if they turned on the race and it had started an hour or more earlier.

DW addressed this on the Despain show on Sunday when one of the callers voiced his disgruntled opinion of all the hoopla before the race. TV contracts are vital to our sport and we want to get as close to primetime as possible with our bigger races. This was the big daddy of them all. Disregarding that, though, NASCAR still has to work TV time into it with the stations with their other programing and get as close to primetime as possible for various reasons. I don't remember what all DW said, but I'm pretty sure commercial revenue was mentioned, but don't hold me to that.

Contracts and schedules are done far in advance of any weather report.

We all just have to go with Mother Nature on this, but I guess no one said we have to go with a smile.

My Recent Posts · 02/19/09

Just to make sure all credit (or blame) is where it needs to be, Mike Joy was on the Sirius on Tuesday, and Fox had a plan in place to bring race coverage on when it became available. They had no say in whether or not that race was restarted.

Originally, I was also feeling cheated, but I think it made sense to bag it. I don't think it's necessary to re-write the rule book for Daytona. It has no more meaning than any other race - pays the same points. Now if somehow when we got to Homestead, if, say, two guys are tied, and weather plays in, and to cancel a race would create a tie, then maybe NASCAR might be compelled to do something, just so a winner is determined by racing events as opposed to by the rulebook.

My Recent Posts · 02/19/09

at Daytona the last time a 500 was rain-shortened. Michael Waltrip won that day. As we were walking in to the stands that morning - 10:30ish or so - it actually was mostly sunny. Knowing the forecast for later in the day, we commented to each other "They should start the race now." Well, of course, the race didn't start 'now.' It started a few hours later - can't remember for sure, but I don't think 3:30 late. Nevertheless, by the time the race started, it was really looking bad. Pretty much everyone knew the guys were racing for halfway. I was fussing & fuming about the race should have started earlier so there was a chance of the full race being run.

But a funny thing happened, as the race went on, I quit caring that the entire race probably wasn't gonna happen. Knowing that they'd be lucky to make it to halfway before the skies opened up, the guys raced their butts off from lap one. I'd been to other 500s & many other races (notoriously, the 600) where the guys raced hard at the beginning of the race, relatively coasted through the middle part of the race, then raced hard again the last part of the race. The drivers couldn't do that this day. They knew their day would be shortened. They just didn't know when. So they had to drive every lap like it could be the last lap, just to be in a good position when the race was eventually called.

Sure, Mikey walked across the start-finish line that day, like Matt did Sunday - but he had to race his butt off all day to even be in position for that chance to walk.

I'd take that rain-shortened day again any day over a full race that's little more than round & round follow the leader, only to be decided by gas mileage.

My Recent Posts · 02/20/09

clh, agreed! I was at Darlington for the rain-shortened race that was eventually given to Jeff Burton. They ran hell-for-leather all day, because it was trying to rain almost from the get-go and had stormed horribly the entire night before the race.

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Registered User Regular Member Posts: 4 02/16/09 02:09 PM	Tags : None I really think that NASCAR and Fox Sports spent too much time hyping up the preshow when they should have been more concerned with the weather. The race should have started earlier...anything to prevent Matt Kenseth from walking across the finish line. It was the first race of the season and I'm still a lil bitter I didn't get to see all 500 miles completed.
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Long Time Poster Board Member Posts: 6495 02/17/09 12:26 AM Public Defender of #14	Agreed with the earlier start time when the knew about the high likelyhood of rain shortening the race. I don't mind Matt winning, but it would've meant more if ALL the drivers had a chance for the win.
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Long Time Poster Board Member Posts: 3487 02/17/09 04:10 AM Love Bug	NASCAR does things I don't agree with (although I don't think they're the Evil Empire some do) but it's really not fair to fuss at them for not starting the race earlier. The schedule is set long before anyone has a clue what the weather will be. Imagine you've paid a lot of money to attend the race, fight traffic and finding a parking space but still manage to get to your seats by start time and then you find out they started the race an hour earlier? Unless the tickets say they might start earlier than the listed time, they realistically can't move it up more than a few minutes, which I think they did do last Sunday. I liked seeing Keith Urban but I'd happily have forgone that pleasure for an earlier start but I can't really fault NASCAR for sticking close to the printed schedule. In the future maybe they could add another line on the tickets (where they have all the hold harmless and rights to images fine print) warning fans that inclement weather may cause an earlier start and cover themselves legally. But even then, I don't think they could or would ever move it up any more than whatever tv has scheduled for the pre-race show. Also we have to remember hindsight is 20/20 vision and rain doesn't always come and even rarely exactly when it's expected. I think every fan, driver and official alike, all wish the race hadn't been shortened (with the one possible exception of Matt Kenseth) but none of us can control Mother Nature. The way the radar was looking, I was surprised they got 152 laps run. It would have been much worse if the race had to have been called on lap 101. Or we could fuss at the different drivers who caused cautions which if not for those delays, all the laps might have been run. But as race fans, it really is something we just have to accept, however disappointing it might be.
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Long Time Poster Board Member Posts: 7655 02/17/09 10:07 AM Momerator	Imagine how the TV audience would feel if they turned on the race and it had started an hour or more earlier. DW addressed this on the Despain show on Sunday when one of the callers voiced his disgruntled opinion of all the hoopla before the race. TV contracts are vital to our sport and we want to get as close to primetime as possible with our bigger races. This was the big daddy of them all. Disregarding that, though, NASCAR still has to work TV time into it with the stations with their other programing and get as close to primetime as possible for various reasons. I don't remember what all DW said, but I'm pretty sure commercial revenue was mentioned, but don't hold me to that. Contracts and schedules are done far in advance of any weather report. We all just have to go with Mother Nature on this, but I guess no one said we have to go with a smile.
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Regular Poster Board Member Posts: 169 02/19/09 09:53 PM	Just to make sure all credit (or blame) is where it needs to be, Mike Joy was on the Sirius on Tuesday, and Fox had a plan in place to bring race coverage on when it became available. They had no say in whether or not that race was restarted. Originally, I was also feeling cheated, but I think it made sense to bag it. I don't think it's necessary to re-write the rule book for Daytona. It has no more meaning than any other race - pays the same points. Now if somehow when we got to Homestead, if, say, two guys are tied, and weather plays in, and to cancel a race would create a tie, then maybe NASCAR might be compelled to do something, just so a winner is determined by racing events as opposed to by the rulebook. "We keep waiting on the world to change" - John Mayer
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Long Time Poster Board Member Posts: 2812 02/19/09 11:48 PM	at Daytona the last time a 500 was rain-shortened. Michael Waltrip won that day. As we were walking in to the stands that morning - 10:30ish or so - it actually was mostly sunny. Knowing the forecast for later in the day, we commented to each other "They should start the race now." Well, of course, the race didn't start 'now.' It started a few hours later - can't remember for sure, but I don't think 3:30 late. Nevertheless, by the time the race started, it was really looking bad. Pretty much everyone knew the guys were racing for halfway. I was fussing & fuming about the race should have started earlier so there was a chance of the full race being run. But a funny thing happened, as the race went on, I quit caring that the entire race probably wasn't gonna happen. Knowing that they'd be lucky to make it to halfway before the skies opened up, the guys raced their butts off from lap one. I'd been to other 500s & many other races (notoriously, the 600) where the guys raced hard at the beginning of the race, relatively coasted through the middle part of the race, then raced hard again the last part of the race. The drivers couldn't do that this day. They knew their day would be shortened. They just didn't know when. So they had to drive every lap like it could be the last lap, just to be in a good position when the race was eventually called. Sure, Mikey walked across the start-finish line that day, like Matt did Sunday - but he had to race his butt off all day to even be in position for that chance to walk. I'd take that rain-shortened day again any day over a full race that's little more than round & round follow the leader, only to be decided by gas mileage. Well-behaved women seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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Long Time Poster Board Member Posts: 6860 02/20/09 09:40 AM Outlaw Spooter	clh, agreed! I was at Darlington for the rain-shortened race that was eventually given to Jeff Burton. They ran hell-for-leather all day, because it was trying to rain almost from the get-go and had stormed horribly the entire night before the race. Wait...Am I supposed to put something witty here?
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